SHOWNOTES
Every day I see business owners and entrepreneurs rewriting the rules. They are blazing their path in new ways and seeing success. Today’s episode is with Patty Lennon who has redesigned her entire business in the last 12 months.
You’ll love her story and I hope this inspires you to rewrite the rules and find success your way, on your terms.
We cover sales in depth. I promise you’ll come away with new insights and some ideas about how you can rewrite your own sales rules.
Find out what type of sales archetype you are.
Hear why “always be closing” could be working against you.
Learn why not making a sale isn’t a bad thing and might even be a good thing.
Patty shares how to boldly make an offer (and what must happen before you do that).
Our fight or flight response can come up during sales calls. Patty explains why and how to understand the way you can use it to your benefit.
Learn how to believe in your offer and your pricing. This is super helpful.
Get Patty’s 5 step sales call formula – she shares it all!
Find out why asking for permission will make offering/selling much easier.
Benefits vs features; Patty breaks this down with 2 great examples!
We ended talking about receiving and why it’s such a big part of selling. This is such a huge shift in mind-set. Grab the resources she’s shared with us and be sure to check out her podcast.
RESOURCES
Wealth And Purpose Podcast with Patty Lennon
Jen’s Bundle - Coach to Profit 2.0
TRANSCRIPT
[00:00:14.420] - Gary Vee
Hey guys, it's Gary Vaynerchuk and you're listening to the Front Row Entrepreneur Podcast with our girl, Jen.
[00:00:14.550] - Jen Lehner
This episode is part of a series about rewriting the rules. More and more, I'm seeing smart, savvy, brave entrepreneurs unlearning the old stale marketing rules that we've been sold as the gospel. Whether it's sales calls or funnels, email marketing or whatever else, there are people out there who are rewriting the rules and having great success with it.
[00:00:36.710] - Jen Lehner
And I wanted to explore in depth through this special series. So let's go. Our guest today is a keynote speaker and bestselling author who helped women create space for magic in their lives and businesses. She's a former type A corporate banker who opened to her intuitive gifts at 35. When her father passed away in 2019. The events that followed revealed a deep connection between intuition and the amount of abundance, support and love we are all willing to allow into our lives.
[00:01:10.700] - Jen Lehner
She founded The Receiving School to help others open to their own receiving energy, using a blend of common sense brain science and a dash of magic. Welcome to the Front Row Entrepreneur Podcast, Patty Lennon.
[00:01:24.890] - Patty Lennon
Oh yeah. Thank you for having me.I'm so happy to be here.
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[00:01:29.310] - Jen Lehner
I am thrilled that you're here. You know, Patty, you are a what I call a WD 40 guests. You know what I do know what I mean by that?
[00:01:37.750] - Patty Lennon
I do not. I like it, though.
[00:01:39.380] - Jen Lehner
Do you know what WD 40 is?
[00:01:41.130] - Patty Lennon Yeah. Gets all the squeaks out, right.
[00:01:44.000] - Jen Lehner Oh yeah. I wasn't even gonna go there. But I mean I was thinking of that brilliant like segway tagline. So yeah, it gets all the squeaks out. You do that for people, you definitely get their squeaks out. But it's also like it does everything like you could do. My mom is constantly setting me like forwarded emails that show you like twenty-nine things you can that you didn't think you could do with WD 40. Right? Like bring back your dull countertops. A million different things. And you're the kind of guest who could talk about anything. You could talk about marketing, crowdfunding, book publishing, time management, coaching, speaking, podcasting, Girl Scouts. There's so many things in that noggin of yours. But today we're going to talk about sales and we're going to do that through the lens of rewriting the rules, since that's kind of the focus of this special series that I'm doing on this podcast.
[00:02:40.810] - Jen Lehner
And when it comes to sales, I don't know anybody who has rewritten the rules more than you have. I love your sales call process and I'm excited to share it with our listeners. So let me start off with this question. Why do you think people usually struggle with sales anyway?
[00:02:58.520] - Patty Lennon You know, I think it's the way we're raised and what we see out in the world, whether it's media or our own personal experience with sales or then later on for us as entrepreneurs, all the digital marketing shtick that we're fed about sales, we have these like, you know, Korrell Young, the psycho theorist, you know, kind of coined the idea of archetypes. I mean, it existed before. But we have these archetypes hanging out in our heads like our typical mother or father, all those.
[00:03:31.790] - Patty Lennon
And I think sales is concerned. We have like the sleazy car sales person. And then we've got like the Wall Street slick sales person. And then you've got this like Earth goddess, mother, moon, whatever sales person that just, like, opens up her, you know, world and everyone just like buys from her. And I think everyone tries to figure out where they fit in those archetypes. And the reality is none of those exist in the real world.
[00:04:02.270] - Patty Lennon
I mean, those people, those types of people do exist, but most of us don't need any of that. And because we're trying to figure out where we fit as a sales person, that's where we get lost in the process of sales and it becomes this super uncomfortable container for most people.
[00:04:21.980] - Jen Lehner
Well, I know you disagree with the approach that most quote "sales gurus" take. Why is that?
[00:04:28.760] - Patty Lennon Well, most sales gurus, you know, are one of two people. They are either someone who's born a sales person and most of us aren't. And what I mean by that is some people are naturally born to ask, like they'll ask for anything. One of my children is a born salesperson, and I love it because I know that he will always have work for me. Great comfort.
[00:04:54.440] - Jen Lehner I've got one of those, too. Yep.
[00:04:55.970] - Patty Lennon
When he does not do his schoolwork, it brings a great comfort to know he will be able to bring food to the table. But most of us are not born that way. So a lot of the sales gurus that teach that originally taught are those natural sales people.
[00:05:10.640] - Patty Lennon
So they're teaching something that works the way we're actually built. And so they're basically like, just keep asking. Always be asking. Always be closing. There's this and free them. That works. But for most people, it doesn't. And so I don't teach that at all. And I'll talk about why in a minute. The second sales guru that teaches is actually someone who learned from that other type of sales guru is now producing their own shtick, essentially, but isn't actually comfortable with it.
[00:05:46.260] - Patty Lennon
And so they teach it from this very toxic place and they tend to use a lot of manipulation and shame in what they teach because they sort of digested that themselves, not like living up to what their sales guru taught them.
[00:06:03.270] - Patty Lennon
So this idea that we need to always be closing. The idea that you're successful when you get a sale, that whole concept actually works against people becoming good salespeople, because when you actually sell well, what you've done is you have received from the person that you're selling to or the group or the community or the company. You've received from them a very clear understanding of what they need in this moment to achieve whatever it is they want to achieve.
[00:06:38.550] - Patty Lennon
You've digested that information. You've processed it. You've looked internally and decided. Am I that solution for them? And if I am, I offer it to them. And then there's this clean exchange. But if I'm not, I offer them something else. Either the clarity that I'm not the right person, they should look somewhere else. Maybe I offer them a resource. Maybe I offer them just some clear understanding, giving them back exactly what they need to, that they can go out and have a clearer search for it.
[00:07:12.270] - Patty Lennon But it's that clarity that really is at the heart of good sales. And sales gurus don't teach that. And I think that's what gets people into this place of sales shame, of sales resistance and of fear.
[00:07:27.360] - Jen Lehner So you're saying that if we don't make the sale, there's no shame in that. And that's not even a negative thing, because if we've listened to them in the interaction, then we can offer them something free or paid and feel good about it?
[00:07:48.490] - Patty Lennon
Exactly. So for me, what sales gurus teach typically is that a successful sale is a sale you close. And what I teach is that a successful sales conversation is a conversation where you and the part of your speaking to get clear about exactly what they need.
[00:08:06.580] - Patty Lennon
And you boldly offer it to them, whether it's you, whether it's your yes or to your no. And if every single time you have a sales conversation, you accomplish that. That success, that is also the process that starts to unlock the fear and shame you hold inside yourself. Because every time you show up in a conversation and help another person by saying, no, you strengthen within yourself, that you're a good person in that sales process and then can more freely offer the yeses that, yes, I am the person you should buy from.
[00:08:41.890] - Patty Lennon
And I'm going to advocate for you to buy for me, because that's what a good person would do.
[00:08:47.620] - Jen Lehner So what is the most important shift that people can make in their mindset to be more successful? Or is that simply it? Is just coming from that place?
[00:08:58.860] - Patty Lennon
Well, you know, when I teach sales and I know we're gonna do it inside your community. I teach it as a five step process. And in the middle of the five steps is what I call the missing step or the silent step. And it's essentially when you've had a conversation with them about what they need, where they're going and where they are right now, and then kind of summarize exactly what they need at this really high level.
[00:09:25.350] - Patty Lennon
At that moment, you want to add a step. And this is the step sales gurus don't teach where you ask yourself, am I the right person to help them? This is where the sort of that little greedy monster that wants all the money gets to have a say. But that angel inside of you that wants to just be helpful has the power. And so that little greedy monsters like we want the money. But then the angel gets to say, okay but we only get to have the money when we're the right solution. And are we the right solution? And she or he, the angel version gets to decide. And from there, that dictates the rest of the conversation.
[00:10:07.330] - Jen Lehner I love that. Can we back up a minute and go back to something that you said about boldly presenting the offer? What was that all about? Like, how am I going to, you know, I mean, I feel like that's definitely something that takes practice. And I don't know a lot of people who are able to do that really comfortably.
[00:10:29.510] - Patty Lennon
Yes. So when you are showing up at the end of the sales conversation, which is where you make the offer, if you're making the offer anywhere earlier in the sales conversation, the way I teach it, that's for me that doesn't really work because every person that's in the process of buying anything has a trigger in their brain that is trying to get them to not buy it, no matter how much you need anything, including toilet paper at the beginning of the pandemic.
[00:11:00.310] - Patty Lennon
There was a part of you that was like don't spend money. There is a part in everyone's brain that's like just don't spend money. Right.
[00:11:10.030] - Patty Lennon
So you want to make sure you don't trip that switch when you're in a conversation with someone. And the reason you want to trip that switch is because you want to create a safe space for them to explore their needs and find the right solution for themselves.
[00:11:26.410] - Patty Lennon
So assuming you don't trip that switch, you're not making an offer early on where you're jumping into the sales conversation saying, hey, I already looked at your form.
[00:11:35.770] - Patty Lennon Let's say you have them fill out a form before they get on the phone with you. And I know X, Y, Z is great for you. You know, that's not an example of a bold offer. That's just cheesy. So first you have this conversation with them. You identify their needs. Now you're getting to a point where you've said, yes, I am the right solution for them.
[00:11:54.850] - Patty Lennon
Making a bold offer - two things. One, it does take practice. And I really do encourage people to do a lot of sales conversations in a short window of time, because we each within us have a trigger in our brain, in the amygdala, the fight or flight response where we do not want to be seen as that horrible used car salesperson. And so it's sort of like retracts us. And the reason it's doing that is it's saying if you make a bold offer, that other person is gonna think you're a cheesy salesperson, and they're going to reject you.
[00:12:29.590] - Patty Lennon And we don't want to get rejected. And because we believe that rejection is the worst thing that can happen to our Migdal believes our rejection is the worst thing that can happen to us. It's going to try and get us to avoid it because it's scared of what it would feel like if we get rejected. When you do a lot of sales calls in a short window of time and I recommend 20 sales calls in 20 days, but you'll have to necessarily take that particular challenge.
[00:12:55.360] - Patty Lennon
What happens is, you also send your amygdala starts to understand nothing horrible is happening. And always what happens is you have at least one or two sales. But typically a lot more than that. And so then the amygdala gets the reward of success. And that fight or flight response to making a bold offer powers down. That's one piece of it.
[00:13:19.360] - Jen Lehner
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[00:14:18.210] - Patty Lennon
The second piece of it is that often times we pull back from a bold offer because we want to take care of the other person and not make them feel bad or awkward if they have to say no. But if you'd add that missing step where you really do check in with yourself and you say, is this right for them and for people where it's not the right offer, you spend just as much time and care and energy of helping them leave the sales conversation and go find a different resource, then that one little step, that missing step, that silent step starts to reimagine for you what your role is.
[00:15:00.240] - Patty Lennon
And that role as an advocate then allows you to step into a more bold offer because if money wasn't involved and you had someone standing in front of you that needed, let's say, we have a house, right? And so in the beginning, we used to buy less expensive tools. My husband was, you know, trying to save money. But over the years of owning a house, we've come to understand it's better to invest more money in the tool that really is going to last.
[00:15:30.640] - Patty Lennon
Right. So now, if we were to see someone that was a new homeowner, we'd be like, believe me, spend the extra five hundred dollars, get the whatever. In the long run, it will save you money. Right. We would show up that boldly because we don't want them to struggle long term. But we're not getting any money for that tool, so it's easy enough to do. Well, the more you spend time in that advocate role, when you get to the point where you are making me offer the money will stop having so much meaning for you because you're going to see them buying what you're selling is really going to save them time, money, energy, stress. And you want to advocate for their success. You want them to really understand that from a very pure giving, helpful place. Does that answer it?
[00:16:20.320] - Jen Lehner
Yeah, I guess for the new coach, the person or the person who maybe is putting out a new offer. Let's say they put together like a group program and they're going to start having sales calls to invite people in. And they know that they're good, but maybe they don't really have any real proof from this program yet because it's new. And maybe they're shooting higher than normal so they've priced it maybe a little more boldly than they would have. It's it costs more. It's a higher ticket offer. And they're presenting it for the first time. And I think we've all been there. It's just sort of like gulp. Will anybody pay this price? You know, is it the same thing? I mean, I guess it's just the same thing like you. But I mean, here's I guess this is what it is, is like if that person doesn't truly believe that their offer. If they don't truly believe in it yet because they haven't delivered the results yet. How do you get around that sort of catch 22?
[00:17:29.440] - Patty Lennon
Yes, that's such a good question. So it's two fold. One, it's having almost a reckoning with the price. And I'll talk about that in a second. The first place is it's one thing to know you're charging the right price, but never have charged that price before. To not have a bunch of testimonials or anything. But maybe you're doing in a group what you've done privately. Right. So you definitely know that the program is worth I mean, it's going to pick like a middle number. Let's say, you know, it's worth five thousand dollars if the person shows up fully. But because you don't have, you haven't done this in a group setting or you don't have those testimonials, you just maybe are wondering, are people going to see the value? And so you're not wondering, is the program valuable at 5000?
[00:18:23.630] - Patty Lennon
You're wondering. Am I good enough to describe the $5000 worth of value when that's your challenge, that is a reasonable challenge. It's part of the growth process. And my recommendation is just be gentle with yourself. Are you going to be able to be as bold in that situation as you will the second time you run the program? No, but you do want to keep coming back to what are the outcomes that are possible with this program.
[00:18:57.050] - Patty Lennon
And you might even want to have them in front of you just so you can remind yourself. But you're not going to be able to show up the way. Let's say, you know, you, Jen, or I can show up in our businesses because we've been doing this forever. And the stuff we put out, we've been working for a really long time. We've got a million case loads behind us that can prove, you know, its value. And even if we repackage it in a different form, we know it works.
[00:19:22.130] - Patty Lennon
Right. Don't try and be that like 100% bold person, but be as much of an advocate as you can for that other person that you're speaking to, that person that you're selling to. Because most likely, if you're struggling with your sale price and I would say this is 99% of the time you're still charging less, then maybe we can be explicit.
[00:19:50.420] - Jen Lehner
Of course.
[00:19:51.500] - Patty Lennon
Some a hole out there who doesn't care about that person and has no problem charging ten or twenty thousand dollars for what you're offering. Just the fact that you're on that edge about the price tells me you have a conscience and something good in this world right now. But if you have, let's say, a coach who's telling you, no, no, you got to charge $10,000 for that. And really, in your heart of hearts, you can't get on board with that. That's what I call the reckoning. That's when you really have to say thank you for sharing what you're seeing. I'll split the difference with you. I'm going to go in at $7000 because I can't show up at $10,000. I just can't. And the price I always recommend to my clients is I'll give them what I feel it's worth. You know what I'm feeling intuitively, what I'm feeling in the marketplace. But then what I say is pick the price. That's going to have an effort to speak it. It's going to put you on the edge of your own vulnerability. But it isn't going to get stuck in your throat.
[00:20:56.390] - Jen Lehner I love that. Right. So what about and I know I've definitely done this as I don't do it anymore. Thanks to you. But when you put the price out there. So there comes a time in the call and they're like, yeah, this sounds great. You know, what's the investment? And then you say, $10,000. And then you say real quick. But, you know, I mean and we have weekly calls and then and also, you know, I'm there all the time and, you know, I have a payment plan and look like you start to fill in that that space with chatter like how do we not do that? Or I guess I should say, like, why is that not good? Number one and if it is not a good thing to do, how do we curb that?
[00:21:42.590] - Patty Lennon
Yes so it's not a good thing to do. And I'll give you a very like human explanation, first of all, just strategically in sales, once you give the price, you need to stay silent just as a rule. Right. You just got to sometimes you just have to put some containers, some rules in place for yourself. So you don't, like, fall off the wagon. Right. So, you know, when I start, you know, COVID, I gained weight because I was eating more, you know, junk food than usual.
[00:22:12.630] - Patty Lennon
So then when I'm getting back on track, I just put a rule in place. No sugar, because I don't try and, like, figure it out for myself. It just makes it easier. Just no sugar. It's not just good.
[00:22:24.240] - Jen Lehner
Yeah.That's a really good.
[00:22:25.590] - Patty Lennon
In sale, there's just like you know, I can convince myself that three Eminem's aren't going to be a problem, but just take the decision away. So this is one of those places where you just have to put a roll. Just be quiet. It's gonna be painful. It's gonna feel super uncomfortable at first. You just be quiet. And so that's the rule. And but from a real human level, when I talk when I teach sales, I talk about it as if you're passing a ball back and forth between you and the other person you're speaking to and always you want to keep the ball moving back and forth, which means if you've handed off the ball to the person you're speaking to, you need to wait for them to give you the ball back.
[00:23:08.490] - Patty Lennon You don't go and grab the ball back from them. And that's the conversation, the art of the conversation. So once you've handed them the price, the ball's in their court. You need to respect the fact that they are equal in this conversation. Make have the ball and you need to wait for them to hand you back the ball. And that's for them to do.
[00:23:30.750] - Jen Lehner I love that. And that's something I think everybody can really wrap their brain around. That's so visual to me. So I really like that. All right. So would you mind if you do want to do this, This is fine, but I would love it if you would sort of walk us through the steps of the way you do a call.
[00:23:48.260] - Patty Lennon Yep. I can do it super quick.
[00:23:50.580] - Jen Lehner
OK. Thank you.
[00:23:51.540] - Patty Lennon And the first step, it might be a little bit different than what you're used to so not you Jen, I know you've taken, you know, my steps.
[00:24:00.960] - Jen Lehner
I know your steps.
[00:24:02.530] - Patty Lennon
So a lot of people will start a conversation with saying, so why did you come? What's wrong? What do you want to change? The first thing you want to do in a sales conversation is really start with where would you like to be a month from now? Six months from now. A year from now. And if you're selling like, let's say, an object, you don't have a service based business, which is really only what I deal in. But let's say you're selling a couch. It's not like where do you want to be a year from now.
[00:24:30.060] - Jen Lehner A cow? We're selling a cow?
[00:24:30.100] - Patty Lennon
No, a couch. We could be. But a couch, a couch.
[00:24:39.210] - Patty Lennon
Well, a year from now, I'd like to be drinking milk from my own cow. Right. So where the questions kind of well off. It could be like. So you've walked into my furniture store, you know. What do you see yourself acquiring? So the point of the beginning of that sales conversation is you want to get them into the highest vibration possible. You want to get them into what's possible for them. And so when you're doing a service based business, definitely, you know, I'm so excited to be on the call with you to hear what your looking to do or create or become.
[00:24:15.960] - Patty Lennon
Tell me what you want a year from now, six months from now that brought you to this call. So you really want to get them to that high or feeling place. And the reason is, from a very practical standpoint, you'll always want to be clear. You both want to have the starting and end point agreed upon, meaning you both want to be on the same page of where this person you're helping is going from an energetic or a metaphysical standpoint that actually sets the sales conversation into the vibration of possibility, which is a much higher vibration than the vibration of challenge or fear, which is probably what's really brought them to the sales conversation, meaning something's wrong that they want to change.
[00:24:01.860] - Patty Lennon
So first step is where do you want to go? Then you can get them to where they are, you know, what's going on for them right now. So then the second step is, OK, where are you right now? And in the process of doing that, then you want to create a bridge for them, that explains to them how they get from where they are to where they want to be. So, for instance, I have a program called the Receiving School, and it helps people open up to receiving. And so if they're saying, you know, they come to me and they're like, I really just want to be able to I know I'm blocking money. I want to let in more money. And then they say, where I am right now is I'm blocking money to where I want to be six months from now as I want to be flowing ten thousand dollars a month in my business and where I am right now is I'm blocking it, when I repeat that back to them, I'm going to say, ok so then what we want to do is remove that those blocks and you want to release the resistance that is keeping that away.
[00:27:08.680] - Patty Lennon
And that's a very simplistic version of a sales conversation. But that would be sort of the bridge, meaning I'm not telling them you need receiving school. So that's a mistake people make. So you don't want to say, oh, what you need to fix this is my thing I'm selling. You want to give them the solution without attaching it to your program. So if Jen, let's say what you were doing, CEO, can I use CEO? or do you want me..?
[00:27:34.600] - Jen Lehner Yeah, Front Row CEO.
[00:27:37.880] - Patty Lennon So you know where I want to be a year from now or six months or knows I want to have my perfect VA in place. I need help. I know I need help. I see myself I'm free from all of these menial tasks. I am like flying high. I am running my company at the level of CEO. But where I am right now is I'm doing all the things. I'm wearing all the hats. I'm so sick of it. I hate all these task.
[00:28:01.420] - Patty Lennon
So then Jen might say, OK, well, the first step is to really get clear about what tasks you're ready to let go of. And Jen, I may not do a perfect job of this..
[00:28:09.280] - Jen Lehner
No, this is great.
[00:28:09.360] - Patty Lennon
But I've done CEO so I can, you know. And so then the second step is really to create a strong job description of exactly who you want to then put that job description out in a way that allows you to attract the right candidates, put a testing process in place and then ultimately have an onboarding and training process for your assistant so that they do become that perfect VA.. Now, that is in part what Front Row CEO gives you. But at no point have I mentioned the program. Does that make sense?
[00:28:43.120] - Jen Lehner Yes.
[00:28:44.320] - Patty Lennon
So you're helping them believe in the solution without triggering them, that you're trying to sell them something and also giving them some time and space to contemplate the solution without the price tag so they can even feel it too. Is that right for them? And then before you move to that silent step, you want to ask them. Does that sound good? Does that make sense? And that's where you really get that fertile ground of getting underneath. What do they need? Where are the solutions? Because the person might say to you, Jen, oh, God, I'm so bad at hiring. I've tried hiring. I can't you know, that sounds good, but I know I'm terrible at hiring. And that's where you can say, well, you know, there's programs, mine is one of them, you can mention it at that point. But there are ways to get training on how to hire. Being good at hiring isn't something people are born with. It's something they learn how to do. And most likely, you just haven't had the proper training on how to hire so you're really getting underneath their objections before you're actually getting to the offer stage. Does that make sense?
[00:29:51.050] - Jen Lehner Yes, this is so good.
[00:29:53.130] - Patty Lennon
OK, so once they're like, oh, OK. All right. And now they're like, OK. Yes. Then that makes sense to me. That's when you go inside and say, you know, is Front Row CEO right for this person? And if it was the conversation we just had, naturally you'd be like, yes, but if the person through all of that was just like, oh, I don't know. And you can just feel that they're staying. They're committed to staying in their challenged place. At this point, you might feel like, you know what CEO will be good for them at some point. But what they need right now is they need some mindset shifts. And for them to use Front Row CEO properly, they need to get to a place of positivity and possibility. Does that make sense?
[00:30:37.940] - Jen Lehner
Yeah, that's great.
[00:30:38.760] - Patty Lennon And at that point, you wouldn't go any further with the offer. You'd say, you know what? I know that this is gonna work for you at some point in the future. But here's what I really think you need. What I think you need right now is, and you might say a mindset course. I think you need a vacation. If you could recommend one.
[00:31:00.080] - Patty Lennon
You need therapy. I mean, there's been times in my coaching as a business coach where I'll get to this point and I'll say, look, I really want to move forward with you. I actually think I can help you and we can talk about how that would work. But what I think you need right now is marriage counselling. Every step of this conversation, you have talked about your partner as being a problem. And if that's what's most of life for you, you need to start with marriage counseling and then come back and we'll talk more
[00:31:26.610] - Patty Lennon
Anyway, but most of the time, you're going to get someone. I mean, you know, as long as you've had a clear sales introduction process, meaning whatever, got them onto a sales call, there were some introductory type of sales page or training or a blog article that kind of prepped them for what you're about 80 to 90 percent of the time you're going to be like, yes, this is the right solution for them. Then the next step you're going to make is you're going to get permission to make an offer.
[00:31:55.370] - Patty Lennon
And this is another thing that let people skip over. So this is where you as you think about the ball being passed back and forth, you said, is this does this sound like a solution for you? They've given you the ball back by saying, yes, now you need to give them the ball back, but you don't want to go right to the offer. You want to say, well, I have a program that really does what I've just described, and I do think it would be good for you.
[00:32:20.810] - Patty Lennon
Would it be OK if I offered it to you, if I told you about it? Now you've handed them the ball back and then, you know, I've never actually had an experience were people like, nope. So then they're gonna say, yes, it's OK. And what's happened in you asking permission is you've added another layer of respect. You've added a layer of trust. You've gotten them to commit to the offer, which then frees you up to make the offer internally, you know, psychologically.
[00:32:52.430] - Patty Lennon
And so then that's where you make the bold offer. And when you make the offer, you want 80 percent of your language to stay on benefit and 20 percent to stay on features, meaning most of the words you should be talking about what they're going to get from it in terms of change in life.
[00:33:11.360] - Patty Lennon
So with Jen it would be like, you know, what you're gonna get from this program is the freedom to really do the high level work, you know, you're meant to do, to do the hundred thousand dollar an hour work that you can produce and not being sucked down by the five dollar an hour task. What you're going to get is the ability to make more money because you're doing more of that money making activity and not have to focus on replying to emails or processing blogs or whatever is sucking you down.
[00:33:45.080] - Patty Lennon
In the program, you'll have my time and attention. So you're going to have my eyes directly on your business. You're not going to have to worry. Are you doing it right? So most of that language is actually benefits. We're not actually talking about the specifics about Front Row CEO. Does that make sense?
[00:34:00.950] - Jen Lehner
Yes, I love that so much. Can you model that for receiving school as well? Like, what would that look like for you to talk about the benefits versus the features?
[00:34:10.600] - Patty Lennon
Yeah. Yeah. You know, and so receiving school is like a six module, eight week course. Right? So I would say so in receiving school, we're going to spend two months together during that time. What you're going to start to understand is first so early on, you're going to learn some of the behaviors you're doing on a daily basis are actually blocking things from coming in right away. A lot of our members see what we have tagged bags of money coming into their life within the first one or two weeks.
[00:34:41.450] - Patty Lennon These are typically smaller amounts of money. Fifty to five hundred dollars that just show up magically. There are signs that you're on the right path. Then as that trust starts to build, that's where you're going to learn how to attract more money, more love, more support. And you're going to start to understand how to communicate with the other side of the veil, how to get signs from source, how to get signs from the universe, how to hear from your loved ones that you're missing so that you're getting permission to move forward with your life path and you get to feel good about it. OK, yeah, go ahead.
[00:35:15.770] - Jen Lehner
Well, I was just to say so at this point, this is probably where I'm like oh, yeah, this sounds really great. What's the investment?
[00:35:22.970] - Patty Lennon
Right.
[00:35:23.560] - Jen Lehner Now that's when that happens, right?
[00:35:26.260] - Patty Lennon
So part of making the offers to say, do you have any questions? Because most people won't say, oh, that sounds great. How much is it? You will Jen, you're built like that. But most people don't want it. Now you've handed that to them. And so you need to get the ball back in the way you get the ball back is saying, do you have any questions? Most likely most of the offer questions have already been dealt with at that stage where you talked about the bridge, but they might have one or two more questions about the program. But then they will likely say, yes, how much is it? And that's when you will give them the price and then you'll stay quiet until they answer you.
[00:36:03.410] - Jen Lehner OK, well, we've mentioned receiving like I feel like it's this very elusive thing because we've really only touched on it. And we know you have receiving school and receiving is a big part of all of this. But what is the actual relationship between sales and receiving?
[00:36:19.070] - Patty Lennon
Well, you know, at the heart of it and this is why I get so passionate about talking about sales, even though I'm not, I have no sales program out there. But I love talking about because ultimately it's such a rich playground to show us where we struggle receiving. Most people I will put "good people" people who are doing what they do in the world to help others struggle with sales, really because they just struggle with receiving. They're used to being the helper, the healer, the taker, carer of others. They're used to feeling valuable when they produce, when they help, when they do something. Receiving is not something we're trained naturally to do. And to me, playing in that little playground of, you know, really trusting yourself in sales really brings up all your stuff about am I worth it? Do I get to receive? Do I get to take in money for what I do? And can that be OK for me?
[00:37:23.870] - Jen Lehner
I love it. This is so good. OK, Patty. This has really been amazing. I want to ask you something that as a close friend of mine, you would have thought I would have asked you before now. But it just hit me like I'm so curious, because you have all these gifts and you blow me away every time you open your mouth. What did you want to be when you were like nine years old?
[00:37:52.030] - Patty Lennon
Oh, my goodness. I can't believe we haven't talked about this because I think it's so funny because we always like here. You know what you want to be as a child, as sort of like what you become like ultimately, if you like, sort of follow your passion or kind of defined your purpose, go back to what you wanted to be as a kid. I want to be a missionary. The idea and we joke about this. Jen you're Jewish and I'm a former Catholic and I brought up about Jesus, but being my Catholic bubble and now having other concepts of God at the time the idea that there were people in the world that didn't know that God loved them. It was excruciating for me until, like, my number one thing I want to do is just to go around the world and tell people that God love them, that Jesus loves them.
[00:38:39.020] - Jen Lehner But you're doing that.
[00:38:40.810] - Patty Lennon
I really would like at the heart of what I do is like everything I do. Even for you, listening in sales, if you knew when you're about to meet the offer that divine who you know, whatever you call your divine being or God or your higher power is with you in that moment. And he's holding you and thinks your precious and loved and valuable like that is always what I want people to understand that they're never alone, no matter how alone they feel.
[00:39:11.700] - Jen Lehner
So good. Patty, thank you so much, you guys. I know you want if you're listening and you've been with us this entire episode, I know that you're going to want to hear more from Patty. So the best thing to do is go to pattylennon.com. She's also generously offering to us a sale script and a receiving guide. So you can go to jenlehner.com/053 and pick those up in the show notes. Go to pattylennon.com to learn more about Patty. And Patty, I imagine they could click there to subscribe to our podcast as well, right?
[00:39:48.470] - Patty Lennon You would think so.
[00:39:51.010] - Jen Lehner
What is the name of your podcast again?
[00:39:53.870] - Patty Lennon
Wealth and Purpose.
[00:39:57.660] - Jen Lehner I'm sure people that you could go to her website, connect to her podcast, it's so, so good. And to iTunes and look for it if it's not on her website, which I'm sure it is.
[00:40:07.730] - Patty Lennon You know, if you go to pattylennon.com/podcasts, then. Yes.
[00:40:12.570] - Jen Lehner Yes. I should've said that. All right. OK. Patty, thank you. I just can't thank you enough. This was awesome. And I'm sure I'll have you to come back on again to talk about some other thing that you're brilliant, that you're brilliant about because you are a WD 40 guest.
[00:40:30.010] - Patty Lennon I love you. Thank you, Jen.
